If there is one thing that I dislike, you tell me that I have no reason (xD), but especially when I really right. So, this is the beginning of a saga that perhaps sees his term today, after two days of exhausting struggle against the stubbornness and inconsistency, ugly beast.
Nanoda attend the site for a while 'now, but this is the first time I see the face of such ignorance as to make me hair stand on end. The center of the discussion had started in Article concerning the sale of Marvel to Disney (link to the article \u0026lt;-) and I've read all of the colors: the persistence of the various Disney no reason, even hints at imaginary cross-over between Spiderman and Hannah Montana (?). However, there were two comments that led me to start a "small" debate, which originally was just a clarification.
Or these:
and
for I will not change much, the only thing that would make me sick to see the Disney brand on the comics side by side or substituted in the marvel.
Disney is also doing a line inspired by manga kingdom heart, pirates of the caribbean and Nigthmare before chrismas, but I absolutely do not buy them because I am ashamed to buy that crap with the mega Logone of Disney, and then I just work for poor quality, they really suck. "
So, here is my benevolent message to the two gentlemen in question:
"EMH, look at those who have always been Disney products. The movie Pirates of the Caribbean, Kingdom Hearts, etc., are Disney, and always have been.
And I would add that I'm not poor, but very beautiful and well made. And they are real Japanese manga authors.
I wanted to be spelled out here. In response to
Dantevil, I wanted to say
is not worth anything is absolutely not true, moreover, does things only for children or High School Musical (which not only do not like, it makes me shudder as well). As it says Kamata also produces films, TV series, does everything. Hannah Montana
I did not before was very famous, now it is all crapped as a result of his many fans, but the product has not changed. What I mean by that is that Disney is not changing, that we look with different eyes. That's it. "
Apart "crapped" I am not a person of fine words and when I use "my language" ^ ^ 'I beg your pardon! They are rude ...
The second I answered did not give me a sign of wanting to continue the discussion, but the first ... Well, the first was opinions of other (?).
"but even if you read Western, but as a manga and manga, though still qualc'uno the street and ask him to tell him what you know about the manga and the first thing you read on the contrary , then that product falsoccio and poor can be a "manga", which reads Oriental, as well as all the stories are not original, but inspired by things you've seen before and that with Japan and the Japanese has nothing and nothing, pirates of the Caribbean is American, what the hell we hit a manga!
I understand a comic, but not a manga. "
Apart from the odd language with which I replied that it is anything but Italian, that these blunders can only compete with the classic BM sms and he is a boy of seventeen, I was struck by his arrogance.
Oh yeah? And I answer!
"First of all, calmiamoci, ok? ^ ^ There is no need to alter a something like that, ok?
Pirates of the Caribbean is American, DISNEY, and those are Japanese manga, written and illustrated by Japanese authors (even if you were informed rather than criticize him you would know already) for a Japanese audience, then came - then - in Italy Imported by Disney. You read
western (I think) in Japan because they are actually taken from Western works.
What then, even the Star first published them to the Western reading, and not for this manga were not.
So do not shoot things that do not know and informed, ok? Those are REAL manga, like it or you do not like it.
with Japan has to do all right those manga since they were created and there are so Japanese. "
"Meanwhile, I know perfectly well, and I knew that even before you told me that those who draw Japanese manga is actually seen that before I read a talk and I also read who and where it was made, the fact is that those are not real manga but sloppy imitations, moreover, as already mentioned, the stories are not original, so I like even less, the style that has been done is Japanese pirates, but pirates did not nothing to do was put there just because they knew it would sell.
for the stars: then, if you you were well informed, you'd know that when the star began to print in the 70 'manga for Italy, the manga was a strange thing, then, has seen fit to change the pages so that they read Western, in order not to create discomfort to the public ( My grandmother is still telling me I read backwards and morally harmful, and she is more open Mantala elderly person I know, with this mindset than you think it would have sold the star in the 70 '?), but then the times are changed, so even with the coming of the planet manga sandwiches, the star began to oriental print, but now it makes no sense to print a western manga, is a terrible crap! and then I read the least worst of the disney manga editions, which is kingdom heart, which frankly is too cute, but it is a crap for kids, filled with nothing but the usual idiotic gags Disney's just, in short there are no fights in the history barely feels, is a bit 'rubbish, I must say that I have not read NBC, but I have not been able to do better. "
What then I had become well-informed, you know? IO. Absurd ... not to say pathetic.
"you do not like is one thing, you're there to say that manga is not true as you said a moment ago, is another, I'm sorry.
If now you say that you knew that were made in Japan then why do all of this scene before? Umh.
Then I'm not interested in the history of the Star this time, it was just taken for example, not something that had to do with the story of his birth.
And I keep telling you are not imitations of anything and the stories are not original because it is perhaps a bit 'difficult to resume the entire story of Kingdom Hearts in four volumes. Above is the longest saga, all the others have one or two numbers. Those
manga I told you (yes, I've already said, it is written there) that were written in the West because they are originally taken Western works and then it was a good idea to write in this manner. So in Japan you are familiar with the Western works, not only in our works the East.
It 's a beautiful collaboration between East and West, for once. Stare
immediately there to criticize a job well done for a good initiative to promote rather than enhance it.
Do not you like? It 's a different matter, but do not tell me that the initiative was bad, because you would have more open-minded people of the '70s, as you say. Small
reflection. "
staff Nanoda arrives later to make his speech in the debate, but is promptly ignored by the man now nominated , or (finally reveals his name): Kimimaro911.
ignored is the message of Kuchiki Rukia:
"stop all!
can not be said that the drawings are of poor quality because Disney is not true, ok do not like to say that Disney products, however, say that they are of poor quality as it seems to me exaggerated, do not like you, but disney designs are still beautiful. then as already said Ghen are still Japanese manga regardless if they have the Disney brand, as regards the stories are not original?!?! we're ok, take cue from other authors and why others are 100% original manga?!? I do not think ...."
"Why do all uelle scenes? simple, for the simple fact is that if an Italian pasta with Kechup and sell abroad claiming to be a traditional Italian recipe, sorry, but I am pissed.
and as the manga, a traditional Japanese comic has to follow certain rules:
1) reading oriental
2)
original story as a minimum, and these speudo manga disney have neither the one nor the other, then no one doubted that the design is beautiful, I only said that there guesses NBC or anything with pirates, or rather, the design used the author for kingdom heart is also very nice clean and detailed, but it is the content that I do not like and above all absolutely wrong name of "manga", those are not manga, comics are tutt'alpiù Oriental style, but definitely not manga. "
"It is useless to continue to tell me who are not manga or "pseudo-manga", are made in Japan, ergo Japanese comics called manga.
point.
Do not you like? As I have said is another matter. But even if "t'incazzi" those are manga. "
shorter and I thought would be enough ... But no! ___
But even before responding to a clarification that has been pointed out on Star Comics and the fact that they have not begun in the 70s (?) As saying HIM. This is the message
Kamata:
"let's clarify:
the star has begun to publish manga back in 1993 not in the 70
kigdom hearts is a shonen manga serialized on the magazine Gagan full metal alchemist, guru guru, soul eater, 666 satan, etc. .
and taken from a video game of the square is the owner of the magazine that is published.
kigdom hearts is a manga.
know bullshit and shoot the rest. "
For the rest," bullshit and shoot "I did not want to spend the word, I had already a war going on and another would be too.
This is the message of this man in response:
And now responds only to me as a chef (?) Do:
"then if I get spaghetti and we put the sunflower seeds, soybeans and peppers amatriciana because I'm in Rome ?
but raggionamenti of you doing ????"
But before I could reply, Kamata has returned to destroy the certainty of the Star of the poor man.
"the star has not been bought, cut, etc..
the star is and has always been to cattle.
star is born when cattle decided to publish the Marvel
which disappeared after the failure of the horn. (Cattle avevaed has a printing press)
not mystified
the only manga arrived in Italy before the grenade was only those submissions published on corrieredei small. & Rdquo ;
But still, then it is true that he has no reliable sources of what he says but he speaks out of turn (probably invented on the fly) and responds only because poor want to be right at all costs. Oh, sure. But you could already see from the second post of response, given that, incidentally, at one point when he knew from somewhere that they were written and illustrated by Japanese manga. Not when I told myself, not at all. All appearances. Shortly before, he had only stated that " with Japan and the Japanese has nothing and nothing ", eh.
Anyway, finally, I repeat again:
"But read what you write? We think about or what?
Look, I do not want to fight, I'm trying to let you know a good thing but evidently it is useless. I do not understand why we just do not want to understand.
So, let's face it, manga = comics in the Japanese language, are you here? E 'was done in Japan, then two plus two?
Had it been done here in Italy it was a comic, do you understand? It 's just that the language change, see?
Comics in Japan = Manga.
Your whole speech from the fact that you do not like Disney, period. You're scrambling to try something that does not exist just because you do not like.
said that I would leave the subject but I will if you keep it too, although I already understood, obviously everything is "breath" wasted. "
** This is the comment by Diamond Ace:
"@ Kimimaro: The problem I have encountered in your work, in addition to the excessively polemical tone, is related to your concept "manga" and your tastes.
You wrote "For me that's not a manga, the story I do not like at all, the gags are stupid and do not make sense." Well, it is your opinion that reflects your taste in manga, but not the absolute truth, as you have been told by other users.
then say "for me that's not a manga, at least as it is printed in Italy" would be like saying that a manga, if printed in Western, loses its nature.
This is a discourse concerning the editorial policies of a publishing house, not the content published.
ask you a question: Berserk is still printed in Western, so it is not considered a manga? "
Well, in the light of these new posts of war, he has not more showed up. He'll be back tomorrow? Not return at all? ... It will be offended? I'll have a heart of stone with regard to these things, but if it offended you, I do not care. Instead straparlare and try to defend our messages, the next time reflects.
good to be my first post on LJ. I apologize if it seems all a relief, but to be honest it is, because yes, he angered his stubborn child. Although now a laugh, because I was right, bwahahah!
Oh, and this is still the link, in case anyone wants to read those messages with his own eyes: http://www.nanoda.com/it/nanoda-news/disney-compra-marvel-5000-personaggi-pronti-ad -invade-topolinia.html
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